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January 22, 2013

Don’t Forget Section 6039

I’m sure that all of you are completely on top of this, but just in case you’ve gotten a little distracted by all the excitement over the new tax withholding rates and the American Taxpayer Relief Act, don’t forget that it’s time to file the returns and distribute the information statements required under Section 6039 for ISOs and ESPPs.

Section 6039 Deadlines Coming Up

The information statements need to be distributed to employees by January 31 and the returns need to be filed with the IRS by February 28 (if filing on paper) or April 1 (if filing electronically).

The returns are filed on Form 3921 for ISOs and Form 3922 for ESPPs. You can simply provide employees with a copy of the returns that will be filed with the IRS or you can provide them with a substitute statement, provided the statement complies with the IRS’s requirements (which aren’t terribly onerous despite what one law firm memo I’ve seen suggests).

What If You Did Forget?

Well, you’ve still got plenty of time on the returns that are filed with the IRS, especially if you file electronically, which is actually probably easier than trying to file on paper anyway. There are several providers than can take your data, whip it into shape, and file it electronically for you–see the NASPP’s webcast “Comparing Solutions for Section 6039 Compliance. Not only is the deadline (April 1–we get an extra day this year because March 31 is a Sunday) still several months off, but you can file for an automatic, no-questions-asked 30-day extension using Form 8809.

But you’d better get cracking on the employee statements. There’s no automatic extension available here–if you need an extension you need to write a letter to the Extension of Time Coordinator in the Information Returns Branch at the IRS, include a good excuse (the dog ate my information statements?), and hope the IRS is feeling generous. [A couple of thoughts come to mind: 1) How cool is that job title? I think it would be awesome to tell people that you are the “Extension of Time Coordinator.” I bet a lot of people want to be your friend. I wonder if this person also has the authority to suspend birthdays? And, 2) if you are in need of an extension, it’s nice to know that there are so many other people in the same boat that the IRS has actually created a position to handle all the requests.]

If any of my readers have requested (or have clients that requested) an extension on the employee statements I’d love to hear from you–how quickly did the IRS respond, was the extension granted, did they give you are hard time about it, etc.?

More Information

The NASPP has loads of resources on Section 6039–Section 6039 is practically our middle name!  Our Section 6039 Portal brings together all of our great resources on this topic, including numerous blog entries we’ve written on the topic as well as many other articles we’ve collected and various IRS publications that relate to this reporting obligation. 

New this year, we’ve posted the article “6039 Gotchas!” by My Equity Comp to the portal.  And the article “Figuring Out Section 6039 Filings” answers every question you could possibly have on either the returns or the statements.  If it doesn’t, let me know so I can update it. 

In addition to the webcast on providers that I mentioned above, we have a “lessons learned” webcast on 6039 filings. 

Finally, we recently received a number of reminders on Section 6039 from various law firms; I’ve posted them to the practice alert “Don’t Forget Section 6039 Statements and Returns.”

Here’s to many happy returns! 

– Barbara

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February 22, 2011

Time to File for an Extension

I understand that Forms 3921 and 3922 still are not available from the IRS, so, in today’s blog, I provide instructions for requesting an extension of the filing deadline.

Note: I was not able to personally verify the availability (or lack thereof) of the forms prior to posting this blog entry because, of course, the IRS was closed yesterday for Presidents’ Day.  Here at the NASPP, we were working–just one more way in which the NASPP is better than the IRS (see NASPP Discussion Forum Topic #6788 for more proof that the NASPP provides better service than the IRS).

Time is Running Out
A week or so ago, when I placed my order for one copy each of Forms 3921 and 3922, I was told that it takes five to seven days to receive the forms. Thus, at this point, it seems unlikely that the paper forms will arrive in time for the filing deadline on February 28. Any company that is planning on filing on paper should probably go ahead and file for a 30-day extension.

How to Request an Extension

You can file Form 8809 to request a 30-day extension of the filing deadline. If you file Form 8809 electronically–which is easy peasy; the IRS provides an online fill-in form for this purpose–the extension is granted automatically, no questions asked. You don’t even have to state a reason for needing the extension (I know, I know, you really want to explain that the reason you need the extension is that the IRS HASN’T MADE THE FORMS AVAILABLE). You can file for the extension online, even though you will be filing the returns on paper. So long as you submit your extension request by February 28, there are no penalties for filing for the extension.

To file Form 8809 electronically:

  1. Go to fire.irs.gov.
  2. Log in. If you don’t have a login, you can easily create one for yourself. Follow the instructions provided.
  3. Click “Main Menu” (in the left column). This will take you to the FIRE system main menu.
  4. Click “Extension of Time Request” (in the left column). This will take you to the Extension of Time Request page.
  5. Select “Fill-In Extension Form.” This takes you to a short explanation of the request form.
  6. Read the explanation. Wonder to yourself why the IRS has to be so wordy all the time. Click the Continue button. This will take you to the online extension request form.
  7. Complete the form and click the Submit button. You should get an online confirmation that your extension has been approved. (I say “should” because I didn’t actually click the Submit button myself when I tested this. The NASPP doesn’t have any Forms 3921 and 3922 to file so it didn’t seem very smart to confuse the IRS by filing for an extension on forms we aren’t filing. I can’t imagine trying to explain that to an IRS auditor.)
  8. Print the confirmation for your records.

Once your extension request is approved, you’ll have until March 30 to file the returns. Hopefully the forms will be available long before then. If they are not, however, you can file for another extension. That extension isn’t granted automatically and you have to give a reason for the request, but I can’t really imagine a better reason than that the IRS hasn’t yet made the forms available.

Electronic Filers Don’t Need an Extension

If you are filing Forms 3921 or 3922 electronically, you don’t need an extension because: 1) you already have until March 31 to submit the filing and 2) you don’t need the actual forms from the IRS. You are submitting an ASCII text file via the FIRE system. If you have your file ready to go, you could submit it today, even though the official forms aren’t available yet.

More Information???

We are trying to get more information from the IRS about when the forms will be available. If we find out anything, you can be sure we’ll let our members know. Follow the NASPP on Twitter or Facebook to make sure you don’t miss any announcements we make about the forms.

Update: I spoke to two IRS representatives this morning, February 22.  Forms 3921 and 3922 are still not available and they did not know when they will be available. They encouraged companies to request a filing date extension (as I’ve described in this blog) or to file electronically.

Last Chance to Submit Speaking Proposals for the NASPP Conference
The IRS isn’t the only one with a February 28 deadline.  All speaking proposals for the 19th Annual NASPP Conference must be submitted by February 28. (And unlike the IRS, the NASPP won’t grant an automatic 30-day extension, no matter how nicely you ask–you can chalk one up for the IRS, but I still think the NASPP is better.) 

If you missed the big announcement last week, the NASPP Conference will be held from November 1-4 in San Francisco. Look for information on registering for the Conference soon.

Last Chance for the Early-Bird Rate for the Online Fundamentals
This is also the last week to qualify for the early-bird rate on the NASPP’s acclaimed online program, “Stock Plan Fundamentals.” This multi-webcast course covers the regulatory framework and administrative best practices that apply to stock compensation. It’s a great program for anyone new to the industry or anyone preparing for the CEP exam. Register by February 25 for early-bird savings.

NASPP “To Do” List
We have so much going on here at the NASPP that it can be hard to keep track of it all, so I keep an ongoing “to do” list for you here in my blog. 

– Barbara

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